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Tuesday, May 16, 2006

A New Post !!

Haven't updated for nearly a year now. Mulling over a few things. Anyway, some updates on the Lina Joy case from the NECF website.

http://www.necf.org.my/newsmaster.cfm?&menuid=45&parentid=144&action=view&retrieveid=572

Latest Update (April 14, 2006)

Lina Joy was granted leave to apply to the Federal Court on April 13, 2006.

The appeal will be confined to three main issues (April 14, 2006, New Straits Times):
• Whether the NRD was legally entitled to require someone to produce a certificate or a declaration or an order from the Syariah Court before deleting "Islam" from an applicant’s identity card;
• Whether the NRD has correctly construed its powers under the National Registration Regulations 1990 to impose the above requirement when it is not expressly provided for in the regulations; and
• Whether the landmark case Soon Singh vs Perkim Kedah — which held that Syariah Courts have the authority over the civil courts to hear cases of Muslims renouncing their religion — was correctly decided.

 

Suggested Prayer Items

1. Lina Joy & her family for strength to endure and the wisdom and faith to stand firm throughout the process and planning for the future. 

2. Counsel Datuk Dr Cyrus Dass and his team for perseverance, wisdom and favor as they prepare for further appeal to the Federal Court.  

3. Federal Court judges: just, wisdom and impartiality; uphold individual freedom to choose a religion.

She has right to appeal now. But actually winning the case is still eons away b'cos of our court process. My pessimistic nature tells me that it will be hinge on the number of muslim judges preciding and whether they will be impartial. Have to say I am impressed with Datuk Cyrus Das for taking up the case and fighting till the end, and Justice Datuk Gopal Sri Ram for being the lone dissenting judge in the earlier panel.

This question seems keep coming up. Why is it some have to suffer/go through so much just to believe in our Lord and some just sail through? Should I be thankful that there isn't much difficulty to practise my faith ? Well, yes ...but i also realise that there is no easy calling or a calling without any cost. We all have to give up something or go through something for believing. There is always an attached cost. For Lina, it will be her right to practise her faith freely and for me.....it will be something else.  I guess when we stand before God, we will all stand as equals .....in the manner we exercised our faith.....


Thursday, June 16, 2005

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Handbook of Christian Apologetics: Hundreds of Answers to Crucial Questions
By Peter Kreeft, Ronald K. Tacelli
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Did an interesting test a while back on christian traditions/ denominations http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/select.php?url=denomtradition

My results are :
1: Presbyterian/Reformed (100%)
2: Congregational/United Church of Christ (98%)
3: Baptist (Reformed/Particular/Calvinistic) (95%)
4: Pentecostal/Charismatic/Assemblies of God (85%)
5: Baptist (non-Calvinistic)/Plymouth Brethren/Fundamentalist (78%)
6: Anabaptist (Mennonite/Quaker etc.) (76%)
7: Anglican/Episcopal/Church of England (76%)
8: Methodist/Wesleyan/Nazarene (76%)
9: Seventh-Day Adventist (75%)
10: Eastern Orthodox (71%)
11: Lutheran (51%)
12: Roman Catholic (50%)
13: Church of Christ/Campbellite (38%)

I am 100% Reformed. Contrary to popular (or specifically, Zhiang Ho’s) belief, I am not charismatic. Quite conservative after all. My wife did the test and her test results ……

1: Pentecostal/Charismatic/Assemblies of God (100%)
2: Baptist (non-Calvinistic)/Plymouth Brethren/Fundamentalist (97%)
3: Anabaptist (Mennonite/Quaker etc.) (85%)
4: Church of Christ/Campbellite (75%)
5: Baptist (Reformed/Particular/Calvinistic) (70%)
6: Eastern Orthodox (64%)
7: Methodist/Wesleyan/Nazarene (64%)
8: Presbyterian/Reformed (64%)
9: Lutheran (61%)
10: Anglican/Episcopal/Church of England (58%)
11: Congregational/United Church of Christ (55%)
12: Roman Catholic (52%)
13: Seventh-Day Adventist (52%)

I hope the powers to be won’t be too alarmed at my wife’s results. Cos 1. the test isn’t that accurate and 2. your denomination shouldn’t really matter unless of course, u are in a cult. Anyway, she can probably get away cos she's 97% brethren (although i suspect that the characteristics of a plymouth brethren in the test is/will be different from "our" type of brethren)

I am curious. Will Eng Huat get 100% brethren if he does the test? Something to really ponder about.


Wednesday, October 20, 2004

Prayer item to note. Hang in there , Lina Joy !!

 

NRD refused to delete word on IC’

October 14, 2004 Bernama

PUTRAJAYA, Thurs.- The High Court, hearing an appeal by a woman seeking a declaration that she is free to practise the religion of her choice, was told today that the registrar of the National Registration Department had acted unreasonably when it refused to delete the word "Islam" on her identity card.

Her counsel, Datuk Dr. C. V. Das, told the three-member panel comprising judges Datuk Sri Gopal Sru Nam, Datuk Abdul Aziz Mohamed and Datuk Arifin Zakaria that as an administrative decision-maker, the registrar was bound to act reasonably and not exercise the power in a manner that was tantamount to abuse of power.

Das said the NRD had changed the appellant’s name to Lina Joy from her original name, Azlina Jailani, and accepted the reason given (the change of religion), but refused to change her religious status on her IC without giving any reason.

"This is unreasonable exercising of an administrative power because if you (the registrar) are prepared to accept the reason for the change of name and allow the change, the deletion of the religion should follow logically," he said.

Sri Nam adjourned the hearing to Dec 13. – Bernama.

Court pressed to shed light on freedom of religion A Christian convert who can't register her marriage because she was once a Muslim demands her constitutional right

OCT 11, 2004 Straits Times Interactive Singapore

By Carolyn Hong 

KUALA LUMPUR - When Ms Azlina Jailani wanted to get married several years ago, her life got complicated with court hearings and whispers behind her back. The Christian convert could not register with the Registrar of Marriages because she is legally a Muslim.

In Malaysia, where a Malay is constitutionally also a Muslim, such complications are not new. But increasingly lawyers say the country has to set clearer ground rules to govern all religious conversions. Both Ms Azlina and her lawyer declined to be interviewed as her case is before the civil court. She is seeking a declaration that she is free to practise the faith of her choice, and have the word 'Islam' dropped from her identity card.

The normal procedure would be to apply to the Syariah Court for approval, often a lengthy process. Ms Azlina is trying to avoid this by falling back onto the constitutional guarantee on the freedom of religion.

Islamic and constitutional law professor Shad Faruqi told The Straits Times that there is a legitimate reason for requiring legal approval for conversions - prevent Muslims from evading the law by leaving their faith when caught for a religious offence. Religion also carries a particular significance in Malaysia because of its implications for ethnicity, he said.

Former National Mosque imam Pirdaus Ismail said that as Islam has a special status in the Constitution, the country's laws are designed to protect the sanctity of the religion and its followers. 'However, the laws are implemented with a spirit of tolerance,' said the Umno Youth executive member. 

The courts have seen several high-profile conversion cases recently. Earlier this year, a court heard a custody battle for two young children converted to Islam by their father after he became a Muslim. Their mother remained a Hindu.The couple was awarded joint custody but daily care was given to the mother who must, however, bring the children up as Muslims.

Another recent case was that of four Muslims in Kelantan who renounced Islam after the Syariah Court ordered them to stop following deviationist teachings. They were subsequently jailed for violating this order.

Conversions from Islam, while few in number, have thrown up painful issues for Malaysia where religious differences often cause family and community rifts. Reluctance to discuss this taboo subject has left uncertain how the constitutional guarantee of the freedom of religion applies to Muslims.

'We need the law to step in to provide clarity,' Prof Shad said.

Ms Azlina's case, to be heard by the Court of Appeal on Thursday, is seen as an opportunity for the court to shed light on the constitutional provision on religion.

'So far, there hasn't been any definitive pronouncement by the court on its application to

Muslims,' said lawyer Malik Imtiaz Sarwar who represented the four defendants in the Kelantan apostasy case. That case ended in the Federal Court without a clear indication on this issue, and he is applying for a review.

 


Friday, September 24, 2004

The one where the pencils were never handed out

About three weeks ago, the choir had its last presentation in JIC. The turnout was surprisingly good with quite a lot of ppl actually bringing their non-christian friends. Probably one of the best pre-christian turnouts in JIC for a long long time. The choir sang and Albert spoke. There was no response from the audience i.e. no hand raising or rededication, well, not from where I was standing.

Was packing up the singout books after the meeting and to my utter shock, there were lots of response slips still left in the singout. Well, no one filled in the response slips cos the pencils were not handed out. Aaaggh !!! Guess where were the pencils ? Right at the back on the greeting table (the table thingy right in front of the entrance) was a big plastic bag of pencils. Aaaarghhh !! Ok, the chairperson forgot to also announce that ppl had to fill in the response slips until it was nearly the end of the meeting….Quite disappointing actually when it was supposed to be a major church evangelistic event.

When the choir committee initially suggested that we do an evangelistic piece, I was quietly not agreeable. Simply, because I felt that our church and most of the brethren churches that we were going to will not be prepared for evangelistic piece. I was right. Sure, there were counselors standing behind, but I was made to understand that these counselors were only briefed on Sunday morning itself and the chairperson was only asked to chair on Friday, 2 days prior to the meeting. I could be wrong on both accounts, so don’t quote me, and I hope I am .

Big deal, some would say, we just forgot to give pencils for ppl to fill in the response slips. Never mindlah. It’s a small matter. At least they heard the gospel, I mean the seeds have been sown. But not handing out the pencils or briefing the counselors at the very last day or choosing the chairperson two days before is a reflection of our real attitude toward evangelism. We don’t really care about unsaved ppl. I was quite disappointed, to be honest, at the church(no one in particular, just collectively)…But JW hit me on the head when she said “How come none of the choir members remember as well?” Hmmm…Ok, I was just as guilty for not remembering, for leaving the work of spreading the gospel to the speaker, for leaving it to the counselors and the pencil ppl (whoever they may be and yes , we need the pencil ppl the next time around), for not reminding the chairperson, etcand for thinking that it my only job is to sing . Period.

Next time round. We will be more prepared. We better be cos we are dealing with lives here. Other ppl lives. This was a lesson well learnt or should be learnt, if we haven’t yet done. There is some good news – we had a grand total of 3 response slips, filled in by ppl who brought their own pens or pencils(Pencil ppl, pls get ready to give presents for ppl who bring their own pencils). I didn’t see them all but the one that I saw, enjoyed the presentation, would like to be invited for the next one and understood the message. Hurrah.

OK , volunteers to be pencil ppl, anyone ??